Wednesday, September 12, 2007

Journal #3

Based just on what we've learned so far, would you consider yourself to fall more in line with the transcendentalists' beliefs or the naturalists'? Why?

Journals need to be posted by 4pm on Thursday.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Although I didn't like very many of the Transcendentalist views, I identify with those much more than the Naturalist views. The Transcendentalists may have seemed bizarre, but I think they were just very in tune with themselves and nature. The Naturalists on the other hand, were far too pessimistic! The Transcendentalists at least had a bright view about life. I don't agree with the Naturalist thoughts about life being a waste of time, or the rotten things in life that happen to us being the faults of conditions. Also I'm a religious person and the Naturalists seemed very against religion. Overall I don't think I agree with any of the ideas of the Naturalists.

Anonymous said...

I believe in the Transcendentalist views more than I believe in the Naturalist views. The Naturalist's views were way too negative for me. I am not a huge believer in fate. I think that you make your life into what it is by the choices you make and the things you do, not by chance. Also, I could never live thinking that life was all that there was. I would be really scared to die if I thought that there was no after-life of any kind. The Transcendentalist's think people should do what they want and be themselves and I believe in these ideas also. I think being unique and not following the crowd makes life more interesting. So if I had to choose I would go with the Transcendentalists all the way.

Anonymous said...

As I am not all that pessimistic, I would likely side with the transcendentalists. Although I view nature as little more than a nuisance, I believe I could tolerate that better than a lot of complaining naturalists. I feel compelled to mention that I fully agree with most of the naturalist ideas, such as evolution and the inevitability of ultimate death, although dwelling on it too much would certainly ruin someone's outlook. Transcendentalist beliefs, conversely, are more about finding higher truths and maintaining individuality, which I could do with considerably higher spirits.

Anonymous said...

I would say that i fall into the category of Transcedentalist more than Naturalist. I like that idea of believing in yourself and creating your own live. I think it is very important to live your life the way you feel it should be lead. Also, I think it is important to stay positive; life is no fun when you are always down on yourself. Like Ben, I always can identify with some of the Naturalists ideas, but the fact that Transcedentalists wanted each life to be lived by itself, and wanted everyone to be happy with themseleves. That is what made me decide that I leaned more to the Transcedentalist side, because I am a firm believer in individuality and not judging others.

Anonymous said...

Eh...neither is an ideal choice, but I'd have to side with Transcendentalists. The biggest reason I'm siding with them is because of faith. I believe in God, but Naturalists do not. That's not the only reason though. I believe, like Transcendentalists, that we can learn things from observing and studing nature, and I think it is sometimes better to go with your gut/spontanious feelings than to think a situation through (key word in there: sometimes). They also concentrated alot on being an individual, which I think is very important as well. However, Naturalists, like I said, do not believe in God. I would agree with them that we cannot control certain situations in our lives, but I believe that that does not mean the universe and such is not controlled. Of course, God has control of all that and causes certain things to happen in our lives according to His will, not our's. I strongly disagree with their belief that life is a curel joke, not just because of Heaven and Hell, but because...well, just think about it! How sucky would life be if you really believed that it is all for nothing? That's my opinion at least :)

Anonymous said...

Many times in my life I have wondered whether I would be considered transcendentalist or naturalist. Just joking I have never thought about this, but it does present an interesting dilemma. Although I am not a pessimist, I do tend to view the world realistically, and do not believe that a utopian society is possible. Also, I do not identify with the belief that the human life is a battle that one cannot win which is a major characteristic of naturalist thought. However, I believe that nature is extremely important, and realize the necessity of simplicity. Therefore, I would consider my self more of a transcendentalist than a naturalist. I think this way because often times I enjoy time spent in the woods. Furthermore, I form many of my own opinions and work to improve the quality of both my life and myself. In conclusion, I would be considered more of a transcendentalist because of my love for nature, my ability to think for myself, and my belief that in order to improve my self I must work at it.

Anonymous said...

I don't agree with either of the views, but if I had to pick, I would go with the Trancendentalists views because for one, I disagree with the Naturalists idea that religion is not a motivating force. Also, Naturalists do not believe in life after death. At least Trancendentalists appreciate nature and the solace it can provide and they put emphasis on an individuals spirtual side. But I disagree with Transcendentalists also, because of their view that spirituality just comes from within and not a Higher Power.

Anonymous said...

I believe that I fall more into the group of the Transcendentalists. While I believe in fate, I don't believe that there is an "Ultimate Death" (Sound like a heavy metal/screamer band name). Like pretty much everyone else, I find that the Naturalist are too negative, and if I believed everything that they believed I would probably end up throwing myself off a bridge. I enjoy nature and I pursue being an individual. I personally would rather be a happy drunk (as Greg so kindly puts it) looking for God in nature than a depressed guy standing on a tall building ready to jump. Who wouldn't?

Anonymous said...

Oh come on i shouldn't even have to answer this one. okay thats a joke i bet you had no clue what i am. yes honestly that was a joke too. personally i think i am pretty transcendentalist. shocker i know but please let me elaborate. I am a firm believer in individualism. only in the mind and one's beliefs though. Appearances don't need to be different, people just need to have their own views on the world and society. and personally i just like the views of transcendentalists over naturalists. i can't really sit and bash the naturalists because they are entitiled to their own view its just not the view i have. to get anything decent out of life one has to live it in a way they want to thats all there is to it just make life work for you be an individual and life is goooooood. (yes i know that was gramatically incorrect but, it got my point across right) (okay i just put that last part in parenthesis in there because i couldnt think of anything else and this isnt how i wanted to end this so i am using this time to think about what to say next) overall one should live their life how they see fit and adapt to whatever viewpoints they want. i cannot say that one school of thought is better than another and feel decent about myself so i think that people need to live in their own way.

Anonymous said...

I think I would fit into the Transcendentalist category the best. i think both of the views on life are a bit extreme but i think i agree with the transcendentalist ideas more than the ideas of the naturalists. I beleive that one needs to be an individual and show their true self. Conformity is somethimg that is easy to fall into because of the fact that you dont have to worry about being accepted by others.I dont beleive it is the best choice to make though. If you choose a life of conformity you will never really have a life. I feel that when you conform you are just living another persons life. You should be yourself and have fun with life while doing what you want to do. I beleive that the transcendentalist ways are the better way to live.

Anonymous said...

This week's journal is a perplexing one. I don't know if i would consider myself more of a Transcendentalist or more of a Naturalist. I do know that I don't go along with all the pessimistic views of the Naturalists. They always looked down on life and thought that life was just a cruel joke. I think life is a more of a journey. It's guided by religion, and that goes against the Naturalist belief that religion is not a motivating force. I agree with the Transcendentalists in their belief that nature is important to every day life. I'm not sure if i would go as far with it as they did, but I think it's an important aspect of life. It's necessary to be out in nature and see the beauty of what God created. I also strongly agree with the Transcendentalist views of being an individual. This is important because conforming to our evil society will most certainly result in a downfall of the human spirit. I don't really agree with the idea of simplicity though, because i believe that all the technology in our world is a blessing and makes life easier. So I'm not really sure who I'm going to side with, but I'll go with the Transcendentalists because of their emphasis on religion and non-conformity.

Anonymous said...

I would deffinantly have to side with the Tanscendentalists over the Naturalists. The Naturalists, to me, sound like modern day emos, who can't seem to enjoy life. I hate it when people are whiny, and don't enjoy everything they've been blessed with. I also believe in God and free will. It sounds as if the naturalists were the type of people who refused to take the blame for their problems/ mistakes so they chose to blame The universe. The only thing that I agree with the Naturalists on is that the world is a "blind machine," and it dosen't matter who or what is living in it, it just does what it wants. Transcendentalists on the other hand made some good points. I like how they talk about non-conformity, and self-relliance. Although I could never grow all of my own food, or be anywhere near as extreme as they were, I do enjoy having a job, and being able to buy some of my own stuff, rather than bugging my parents for money all the time. Overall I think that the Transcendentalists were slightly more sane than the Naturalists.

Anonymous said...

Personally, I think both the Transcendentalists and the Naturalists both have some good ideas as well as some bad ones, although I believe I identify more with the Transcendentalists. I agree that individuality is important and that people should be appreciative of the ways that they are different. I also agree that people should rely on themselves and their own hard work to get the things they need or want. Some of the Naturalist ideas, however, are less agreeable to me. For example, I do not think that conditions are at fault for people’s situations. I also disagree with the idea that life is a cruel joke. All in all, the Transcendentalists seem to have a better, and more optimistic, outlook on life than the Naturalists.

Anonymous said...

Although there are things that i disagree with from both the Transdentalists' and Naturalists' point of veiw, I would have to say I fall more with the Transdentalists. I am a very optimistic person (even though i whine a lot in class...) and I don't normally get along with pessimists. I do believe in being an individual and speaking your mind, even though it is hard to fall away from the society's harsh standards. I do believe it is important to stand up for your faith, as do I, which the Naturalists would not agree with. I agree with Jordan when he states that some of the technology we use today can be very helpful, even though the Transdentalists believed in living very simplistic lives. All in all, I believe I would fall more into the Transdentalist category.

Anonymous said...

Ok, I am SUPER DUPER sorry I didn't get this done on time. I don't have an excuse. It just slipped my mind. I am very sorry. But, anyway... I would have to say I would probably be a transcedentalist just because I try and be more open minded and optimistic. I am also kind of a perfectionist, although I do realize that nothing and no one is perfect and no one can ever expect them to be. Another reason I would classify myself as being transcedental is because I do believe there is a God that does have control of our lives and what is happening. I like the idea of being an individual although it is tough to classify anyone as an individual now-a-day. Basically, I just agree more with the idea of transcedental thought more that I do naturalist's thoughts. Transcedental would be my first choice of those two. :)

Anonymous said...

I feel that i would defintly fall more in line with the belifs of the naturalists(mainly cause i'm not a drunk transcendentalist). Naturalists are one who enjoy nature and see that we don't need to constantly be busy, we don't need constant work, we don't need constant running. They see that nature is always around us, but yet most of us fail to see that nature is full of suck immense beauty. Nature has this way of soothing me, of giving me a refreshed feeling. It is not a place where i have any worrys, its just a place that i can go, kick back and relax. Read a book, or go walk. I can do whatever i like whenver i like. There is no schedule in nature. You set the pace or you just don't set a pace at all. You get to truly see that nature has just this beauty. Not just in great sunsets and sunrises, but in every minute there is something spectactular that just hits you. It's like hitting a brick wall, you just can't quite believe that you auctually saw those hummingbirds fight, that mama grizzly proctect her cubs, that dear that is not spooked. Nature is something we need to learn to live in harmony with. I'm afraid to say it, but no nature......no us.