Monday, December 8, 2008

Last minute paper stressing....

Two days and counting....

163 comments:

Anonymous said...

Can I e-mail you my Works Cited page?

Anonymous said...

And have you check it? (That's the important part.)

Anonymous said...

Um, another question. So if I have a sentence that says, 'Susan Strehle also states that Adah’s silence protects her through her time in Africa', do I quote it by putting (Strehle 8) or just (8)?

Anonymous said...

AHHHHHHHH!

Anonymous said...

so I have Alec, Kerry and Burne, D' Invilliers, and maybe Humbird (depends if I can get why he's important...) Should I list them then their physical characteristics and personality followed by their (I'm not sure if this is going to work...) connections, how they meet, and the help they give Amory???7

Anonymous said...

Quick question: should 'American legal system' and 'Mexican justice system' be capitalized?

Anonymous said...

do i have to have a long quote in my paper?

balisms-um, the spaz outs kids get when they go into the ballocities.

Anonymous said...

hehe I'm happy!!! they use a fancy word for womanly...

DWV-menymi
sounds like mini me....

Anonymous said...

how would you type a quote of a quote of a quote???

Anonymous said...

when the book says "She should have decended to a burst of drums or a discordand blend of themes from[...]" is this saying that Isabelle should have a big showy entrance because she is vain and shows off?

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Ok--just got back from the board meeting. So here we go.

Katelyn--Yes, you can email your works cited page, and yes I will check it.

In that citation, you can just put the page number because you mention the author in the lead-in.

No, you don't have to have a long quote.

Dan--as for your first question, it's kind of hard to answer without seeing your paper.

A quote of a quote of a quote? "'blah blah blah blah blah'" (Poe qtd. in Fitzgerald 75). Not sure if this is the instance you're talking about.

Yes, that's exactly what that quote means.

Cherie--Just American and Mexican would be capitalized.

Anonymous said...

umm the car that the guys take back to the beach was it really stolen? or did they steal it to have an excuse to get away from classes?

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan, trying to remember, but I think it was "borrowed" so they could get away from classes. Not technically stolen, they just didn't return it on time :)

Anonymous said...

ok so I have about 10 cards for the guys would that be enough for a factor?? They are about 3/4 full of stuff.

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan, that should be enough--remember, it's your analysis that's the important part!

Anonymous said...

RAWR!!!!! I keep forgetting that and that just makes things ten times harder!!!!

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan--it's kind of the important thing. I'm not interested in what the book says, but how you interpret it to support your thesis.

Anonymous said...

ok what would changes would u say that Jo has characterwise at the end of the book other than on love and being more womanly??? And I cant think of any more reasons that Amy is a foil other than on views of love and money... and stuck-upness...

Anonymous said...

waiting waiting waiting!!!!!!!!! And Freaking out!! breathing, breathing, breathing :D

Anonymous said...

ok and so our whole paper is supposed to be in prsent tense correct?? I feel like Jo writing all the time....

Anonymous said...

can we use italics in our paper for emphasis??

Anonymous said...

what if a writer makes a spelling mistake in their quote?? Do we write it as the mistake?

Anonymous said...

>:(

Anonymous said...

IV. Characterization
A. Esperanza
1. dreams
2. aspects
B. Nenny
C. Best Friends
1. Rachel
2. Lucy
D. Sally
1. Esper..'s disappointments
2. Marriage

(If I spelled out Esperanza, it messed up the formatting.. so I didn't)

Does this work at all?

Anonymous said...

oh.. looks like the formatting didn't turn out right anyway

Anonymous said...

ok first question...

Monsignor Darcy is a somewhat religious man, the first time he is mentioned, in Ashville who has a romance with Beatrice, but has a “spiritual breakdown” and then joins the Catholic Church.


Does this sound accurate? I know that it's my thoughts about the characters, but I'm not sure if there are points taken off for inaccurate info...

Anonymous said...

This conclusion is between the two paragraphs about the Holidays and Tom (I'm taking Alec out).

The Holiday brothers are the first friends that Amory makes at Princeton, and they help Amory realize a few things about himself at the end of the novel.

I forgot...did I not have enough of Alec's character to present? or what?

Anonymous said...

nevermind about the Alec thing...

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan--I don't think you're really being inaccurate about Darcy. I think you're fine.

In that conclusion sentence, I'd be a bit more specific as to what they help Amory learn about himself.

Anonymous said...

is Tom a reclusive hopeless romantic??? who doesn't talk to anyone and reads too much???

Anonymous said...

and he puts some of his love poems in the paper?

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan--Think you could make a case for that.

Anonymous said...

If I have

they help Amory realize a few things about himself especially before everyone goes off to the war.

is that too open ended to have as a conclusion?

Anonymous said...

I changed himself to his ego and vanity

Anonymous said...

If i have a quote from someone quoted in something else (Ex: Jon doe stated 'blah blah blah'), how do I cite that?

swisk-a much more fun way of saying whisk. or wisk. however you spell it

Anonymous said...

Is Tom like Nick in Gatsby???

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan, I think that is better. And I think Tom might be an early incarnation of Nick.

Katelyn-- "lkjasldfjl" (Poe qtd. in Kingsolver 500).

Anonymous said...

thanks. If i e-mail you my paper, will you read it?

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Katelyn--I can't get through all of it. If you want me to look at a couple of small sections, that's doable. But at this late time, sorry.

Anonymous said...

Wow, you actually said you'd look through part of it. I was seriuosly joking, but I might send you a section if that's okay. I just about fell off my chair right there. oops.

Anonymous said...

I must have gotten your e-mail wrong before. what is it again?

Anonymous said...

You skipped my question :(

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Marisa--I'm so sorry! It looks good, try to break down the B if you can.

Katelyn--brittany.svoboda@kearneypublic.org

Not going to promise anything, though.

Anonymous said...

is Amory's "Perfect aristocrat" related to vanity and beauty (grace) and egotistic???

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan--I think you know the answer to that :)

Anonymous said...

stress+panic=not thinking clearly!!!!

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Katelyn--My biggest concern is still adding to your explanations after your quotes. There are some places where things are really vague. I really like the ideas you're getting across; they just need expansion.

Anonymous said...

ok here is my current transition into Tom

Amory is presented to many other people at Princeton by the Holiday brothers. One of these people is the bespectacled, studious Tom D’ Invilliers.

The first sentence I think has some issue that I can't figure out...

In this

Tom is helpful friend to Amory because he listens to everything that Amory complains about and tries to give him advice. The “God” of Amory’s class, Dick Humbird,

is the conclusion ok? and is it ok that the two guys are combined in one paragraph like this???

Anonymous said...

stupid question....
is it right to say things like

"Fitzgerald did this because..."

"In this quote, Fitzgerald did this..."

blah blah blah....

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan, those lines sound fine--just make sure you have plenty of analysis in that paragraph.

I'd try to find different ways of introducing your quote. Actually setting up the situation in the novel and coming out of it saying something like "Amory's actions at the party prove that his ..." is preferable to "This quote say..."

Does that make sense?

Anonymous said...

So I have blah blah blah... She starts to let go of the idea that Leah “victimized” her (Greene 4), and that step is the beginning of her drastic change into someone forgiving. Although Adah’s deformity is not Leah’s fault, Adah fully forgives her in her mind. Being the one who is always taken advantage of, this is a complete change in character for her. Adah feels she is never taken care of, especially after her mother leaves her to fend for herself (Kingsolver 305). After being the only one rescued from Africa, she forgives her mother for not watching out for her in the Congo, and has a close relationship with her, instead of the distance she kept from everyone before Ruth May’s death.

is that too vauge or is that okay?

Anonymous said...

is there a better way to say "take a hit"? I am sayingthat Amory's pride, self-esteem, and ego take a hit when Dick is run over.(why is this oneless graphic than Myrtle's?)

Anonymous said...

and yes that did help!!! :)

Anonymous said...

Is the heading only on the outline, or is it on the outline and actual paper? (I know it's not on the works cited.)

Anonymous said...

it's on the outline and paper

she must be taking a dinner break...

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan, you're good--I was eating supper! :)

I would also say "is deflated" or defeated, diminished, something like that rather than "takes a hit."


Katelyn--I think you still need to be more specific--add a bit more analyzing after the quoted material.
(And Dan's right, heading on outline and paper both).

Anonymous said...

I had enchiladas and rice!!! :)
What did you have?

I have this transition that is before I start explaining how the guys help Amory. (this para. might be kinda short...)


As the years fly by, Amory’s views continue to change while he tries to get his ideals straight.

Anonymous said...

I don't think that the beach trip really does anything...but does it maybe hurt Amory in the slightest way? like ego or pride?

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan--got out of the house for the Cellar's quesadillas :)

--don't like the word "straight" otherwise it's fine


--go back and reread that scene (ducking as you throw the book at the computer :P ) I think you'll find the answer to your question.

Anonymous said...

Does this make sense?...

Throughout this novel, Cisneros uses a variety of literary elements to enrich her reader's enthusiasm.

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Marisa--sense for what?

Anonymous said...

I find that to be a somewhat cruel and unusual punishment...

Anyway, something about Humbird being new money? makes Amory upset along with the elections for the newspaper?

Anonymous said...

then there's something about Alec and Kerry are the life of the party and Humbird and Sloan (who?!) are the actual center...

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan--you're on the right track...glad you liked Gatsby better!

Anonymous said...

since Amory couldn't play football, did he just join the newspaper for the attention and status?

Anonymous said...

Well I'm not sure. I had that sentence in my paper minus the word enthusiasm. And you wrote in "The reader's what?"


I didn't exactly know what to put in so I kind of just shoved the word enthusiasm in there.

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Just like Fitzgerald...

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Marisa--where in your paper did you have it?

Anonymous said...

I will enjoy the book buring that Adam, Eric, and I will be having.....

Anonymous said...

It's in my intro paragraph. I use that sentence to introduce my factors. (Symbolism, imagery, characterization)

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Marisa--I'd add a bit more, her reader's enthusiasm for what?

Dan--just don't get yourselves in trouble! :)

Anonymous said...

Well if Cherie is there (we have thought about bringing flame throwers to detasseling...) then I can't promise anything....


I tweeked my thesis so it now includes self-esteem and pride. Does it still sound ok?

Even with youth, brilliance, and romanticism, Fitzgerald’s novel shows people that their egos, pride, and vanity do not always lead to a happy life despite their attempts to build self-esteem.

Anonymous said...

What if you have sources that didn't show the author or editor or whatever. How do you cite those?

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan--getting a bit wordy now. You don't have to include every little bit in your thesis, you just have to make sure you can prove what is in your thesis. I think I liked what was in it better before.

Huh. I thought Cherie liked her book...

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Marisa--Use the first main word of the article title ("Mango" 30)

Anonymous said...

she said that she would like to help...propane and flamethrowers...

Anonymous said...

if I use a reference to the game Mother may I, would it be in quotes, italics, what?

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan--why does that not surprise me? I don't know you if you get caught...


Katelyn--put it in italics.

Anonymous said...

Okay so what do we do if we have two sources by the same author?

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Jake-- (Wolfe, "New" 50)

You have to include the first word of the title as well, either in italics or underlined, depending.

Anonymous said...

But what if like most of them have the title The House on Mango Street?


Would it just be ("House" 2).

and if so, what if there are like 3 different sources like that.. it would seem like one source in my paper.

And another question.. say there is a quote inside a quote I'm using from a source. Ex: The house is described many times throughout the story,"The red bricks crumble in places and the steps are to small to walk on".

Would it just be quotations at the very front, quotations again infront of the quote in that sentence, and then double quotation marks at the end? (as in "blah blah blah blah, "this a quote they are using from the book"" (Name 23).)

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Marisa, ("House," Contemporary 735)

Include the first word of the source also (underlined)

Double then single

"'laksdljdalfkjlakdsjfl'"

Anonymous said...

HA! so i actually finished my book now! ok still some questions tho... i still dont think theres much really many differences between Jo in begenning and end that i can think of(and i even sticky-noted) other than love and woman stuff. and same with her foil to Amy- love laurie womanly stuff and stuck-upness. And ok so im doing symbolism in the characters of Jo and beth as one of my points...is it ok that im doing different things there actions and personality can symbolize and stand for? cuz thats how im doin it so far. yeah.

Anonymous said...

Wait.. you lost me on the double then single.

On your example, it has a different amount of quotations on each end.

Anonymous said...

did we need at least one big quote in the paper and at least one small quote in each para.??

Anonymous said...

ok and i keep using represents stands for and symbolizes with my symbolization in characters. is it just me or is that wrong?

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Marisa, no, there are three on each end. "'kla;jdf;alkdjghjdh'"


Hope, she does change more than that. She changes some of her fundamental beliefs about her work, her family, etc. And so does Amy. I think what you're talking about will work.

Dan, at least one short quote in every para. Not requiring a long quote.

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Hope--get out the thesaurus! :)

Anonymous said...

i think thats a yes thats ok? and i dont own a thasaurus or trust me i would have a while ago. And I guess JO's writing does really change too at the end of the novel... i use i a lot dont i... but shes still the same stubborn Jo which makes it kinda difficult to me w/ the beliefs thing cuz she stills wants to write and stuff. yes? no? maybe?

Anonymous said...

I have a sentence before a quote

The dog's name is Spot.

then my quote starts with a lower case letter, so do I make the first letter in the quote a capital?

"'she had named the dog Spot'" (asdfg 34).

Anonymous said...

do smaller things like if I'm describing a person work for a small quote???

"straight features" asdglkdsagl (Fitzgerald 86).

Anonymous said...

Oh it looks like there is four on the other end. And say that I am quoting a source that is quoting the book in the middle of it.. but.. I don't know how to explain. I'll use an example.


This is what you just helped me with..

"'blah blah blah'"


This is what I'm asking about now..

"this part is me quoting the source, 'and this is the source quoting my book,' and then my quote from the source keeps going a bit more after that" (Name 1223).

Would it still be single in the middle (when my source is quoting my book)


and just curois, how long are you planning on staying on this blog?

Anonymous said...

better example

The one thing that all of the guys “teach” Amory is “restless and rebellious” which will later lead to his ruin (Magnum 1140).

Anonymous said...

I'm going to print off my paper tomorrow and give it to you after school if that's okay.

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Hope--her writing changes as a result of her beliefs changing. And google has an online thesaurus :)

Dan--bracket the letter if you capitalize it, and yes, those work for short quotes.

Marisa--the way you have that is right. And I'm signing off at 11.

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Katelyn, no problem.

Anonymous said...

i thought her writing just changes mostly as a sign of maturity and her aging. She just grows up

Anonymous said...

okay its not 11 yet so you can't sign off!!! okay so in my paper you wrote that i should move a paragraph in front of the other but if i do that then i would totally have to re arrage my outline and it would not make sense...so can i jus leave it or should i change it???

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Hope, it's a combination.

Tink--it may work if you have clearer transitions between the paragraphs.

Anonymous said...

ok and also one part that confuses me is how Jo never really cared about mo ney oor stuff like that she was just really simple and then thers that one part where there all talking about there hopes and dreams and stuff and she goes off about how she wants to be all rich and famous and such

Anonymous said...

How long does the quote have to be before you indent it all.. if you know what I mean. I saw something like it in the example research paper. I have pretty long quote, but I'm scared to indent becuase I don't want to mess anything up!

Sorry for hammering you with these questions. I'm not just now writing everything..
all I had left to write today was my conclusion, but I'm just now typing everything out and realizing my questions :)

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Hope, that's part of her transformation too. That's not the only time she talks about being rich and famous.

Marisa--you have to have a quote that's four full typed lines or longer before you indent as a long quote.

Anonymous said...

ok so for the ladies point, the connection to Amory might be kinda skimpy, but I will do my best to fill it in with my thoughts. The conclusion you said that connections to Gastby would be great and anything that connects to our lives as well???? with no first person right?????

Anonymous said...

I feel really bad. IM sorry. how far are our pg # supposed to b from the top? 1"?

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Dan--sounds like a plan! I'd probably stick to Gatsby or life, otherwise it could get a bit wordy.

Anonymous said...

whooooah my wv spells color!

Mrs. Svoboda said...

Feeling bad--header is 1/2"

Anonymous said...

Okay, just say I do have one longer than four full lines..

Do I HAVE to indent, or is it optional? I realize this will be my last question for tonight.

Mrs. Svoboda said...

OK everyone, that's it for me tonight. I'm headed off to bed. Any other questions, you'll have to rely on each other (which means you can post here, and try to help each other out!)

Good luck--I'll see you tomorrow!!!!!

Anonymous said...

aye aye aye... thanks Svoboda! ur a big help and i swear thats not sarcasm i feel half better already!

Anonymous said...

we're all gonna die....

Anonymous said...

u can say that again

Anonymous said...

Don't worry! Be happy! Ha. I'm on my conclusion! Yay?!

JWVOTD
dabblewi ?

Anonymous said...

hhaha fun for u. who thiinks they'll b up the latest?

Anonymous said...

hopefully not me...i'm predicting 12:30 for me. actually i still have to make corrections...maybe 1:00.

Anonymous said...

Im predicting 4... im on pg 5

Anonymous said...

ouch...I just got onto page 9

Anonymous said...

lucky duck. I haVent enev started my last factor ir conclusion yet. not fair, my wv has bed in it

Anonymous said...

QUESTIONNNNNNNNN (anyone can answer).........
If I'm saying "McCoy is not the typical heroic protagonist WHO/THAT can be found in most fictional stories."
Do I use who or that??

JWV
holess (ha!)

Anonymous said...

Dude.. I'm in the same spot as you Jake. I haven't started th conclusion yet though. And I'm hoping I get done atleast before two. Cause Saturday I was up until 4.. well just because it was Saturday. Then Sunday I was up til 5, and yesterday til 6. You guys have no idea how dead I am.

Anonymous said...

that... wow this thing is mean, i swear this one is restnw its like rest now

Anonymous said...

Hmm.. THAT sounds better when you read it. WHO seems like it would make more sense because it is a person. I'm sorry to say that I am too dumb to give you an exact answer. Sorry dude.

Anonymous said...

definately that. because when u say typical heroic protagonist thats what the that goes back to not McCoy. WV=agness?

Anonymous said...

Hahaha Hope I love your WV's. That's priceless. So yeahh...I had that, then Svobie put who...but I think it goes back to 'protagonist' too...hmmm...
My WV is ladias..haha..is this thing telling me to go get some @$$?! Good thing Mrs. S isn't on..

Anonymous said...

man i am so bsing on this thing. not really svoboda... ahem ahem

Anonymous said...

hahahaha i guess. oooh man thats great dellwoni??? backwards thats i won dell...

Anonymous said...

Beth possesses a talent for playing the piano, which stands for a common joy shared by the March family.

does that make sense or is that way too much bsing???

Anonymous said...

redo. no im not redoing my paper stupid WV!!!!!

Anonymous said...

ok.. so when we go from factor to facctor is there an intro para to each factor? Like a para for A than one for both 1 and 2 of the A?

Anonymous said...

Hope not.. because I didn't do that. But time out-- we don't restate our factors or thesis in our Conclusion paragraph? I'm so confused on how you do it then!

Anonymous said...

whoa wait huh? we dont?? i thought we did... or do we just relate the whole paper back to the theme then... that could make sense... maybe?

Anonymous said...

I'm not so sure about the them thing. I just read the little packet she gave us and it said it's ot a summary conclusion where you summarize the three factors and thesis or whatever. Well this will be tricky. I'm going to get started haha OH wow... my WV says messynes

Anonymous said...

I'm not so sure about the them thing. I just read the little packet she gave us and it said it's ot a summary conclusion where you summarize the three factors and thesis or whatever. Well this will be tricky. I'm going to get started haha

Anonymous said...

Woops.. it said that I got the WV wrong.. so I tried to do it again. Only I deleted the end because it was no longer my WV

Anonymous said...

lol so what exactly do we do then??

Anonymous said...

we all gunna die...

Anonymous said...

The packet shows two ways:
1) Your typical restate factors and thesis

2) Connect thesis to larger issue, blend thesis into issue

WV - ribboxyg = My ribs need oxygen?

Anonymous said...

Oh..must have missed that. You're sure?

Anonymous said...

Yeah I have the packet right here

Anonymous said...

I heart Jake for making me feel unlost

Anonymous said...

we can have a source reference in the conclusion right?

Anonymous said...

u forgot your WV jake... i think i go take a break...

Anonymous said...

I have my packet too and I'm not seeing that. Is it that small 2 page packet?

Cause all mine says is THE NON-SUMMARY CONCLUSION...then lists how not to tie your factors and stuff into it.

Then it has SAMPLE CONCLUDING PARAGRAPHS.. which are just samples of it

Anonymous said...

Well yeah the packet is just for the non-summary one. Your other option is the same as we've always done.

WV (sorry screwed :P) 'ansup' = ay man 'sup?

Anonymous said...

Oh okay thank goodness you are still on at this time then! Other wise I wouldn't have known that.

Mine says neneat. Never Neat

Anonymous said...

Speaking of raking leaves for SAB. Did you hear how I got pulled over while raking leaves and I was driving without a license with four other people in the car? Yeah.. my court date is in the morning :( Wish me luck

WV:jusaftw uh.. Just a foot away?

Anonymous said...

OMG NO! Are you serious?! Holy crap. And morning as in tomorrow morning?! Good luck!

WV - hifie = High-class wifie?
This is getting out of hand...

Anonymous said...

percozy. now its tellin me to get cozy. oh crap that sounds like sleep. r we sure these arent rigged?

Anonymous said...

YES :( During first block, possibly lunch too. But I better get off this thing. I'm being distracted haha. Night

Konal? I got nothing

Anonymous said...

how do u get pulled over while raking leaves????????

Anonymous said...

Correction..

on my way to rake leaves at a random house. It just so happens that raking leaves is no excuse for a fifteen year old to be driving. Who would have known?

Alright.. this is my last post now. Night

WV: gatie G-A-TIE as in oh gee(G), a (A) tie (TIE).

Anonymous said...

Just kidding. The criminal is back. If anyone es still on.. can you help me out on the order of what goes into your conclusion? As in restate three factors and tie in thesis and stuff.

Is it bad that I called myself a criminal and my WV spells out sords?

Anonymous said...

I think just thesis, restate, conclusion sentence.

WV - mariab = maria with a last name starting with 'b'

Anonymous said...

K thanks!

Pentred---> Pen that's red

Anonymous said...

No problem. BTW, you guys can thank me in sleep. I need some of that.
WV - rosind - past verb tense of rosin (baseball)

Anonymous said...

IDK how to start my conclusion...

Anonymous said...

Hey! Someone's still up! Hey Dan!
WV = bript = eh, idk

Anonymous said...

i still up 2

Anonymous said...

Ha nice Hope. So I'm STILL EDITING. UGHHHHHHHH.
WV - turacroq - turtle/crocadile?

Anonymous said...

Yeah ive been done since monday and now am sitting in study hall being bored even though i have lots of homework for other classes, but i need a breather and i dont care if i procrastinate.

Anonymous said...

K so I forgot to turn in that paper thing for the talent show before I left...
You know my name
My song is: "Remember Me" by Mark Schultz
And I think that is all.

Anonymous said...

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOGM ! 162 commments??????????? you stinky procrastinators

Anonymous said...

so i'm spending lts of time that i don't have..i just read all the comments...i think i'm ding dong merrily on () ---camarata ppl know what i'm saying

wv=mulated...mutated..mutilated??