yay i'm the first, though you're probably tired of seeing my posts
``can we put a transition in the thesis? like say transition then the theme?
``Each child's personality gives way to his unique reasoning. his meaning the child, would that be ok?
``if i split a subpt into 2 paragraphs i still need a concluding sent and open sent bt rt?
``i cite a quote in a sent and then in the next sent say the character continues.... do i cite it again? (the same pg #)
``last one: my subpoint about how bc you only have an outsider talk every once in a while, the reader is sucked into the bundrens' view and thinks its normal, but then the outsider comes and its like WHAT WAS I THINKING??? THEY'RE WEIRD! i don't really have any source that says that, is that ok?
great! thanks! also, i'm having trouble with the conclusion paragraph..so i have to start out with the thesis..so then there would be a para. bt the last one and the last factor for transition. and then that paragraph would tie hte 3 factors together so i can state the thesis? does the order i say them matter? ex transition para: factor 3 factors 1 and 2 how the 3 factors together make the novel do what it does it presents the theme conclusion paragraph starting w/ thesis.then 3 factors again..would that be too repetitive?
Adam--your attention getter really shouldn't be similar to your thesis, because your thesis should be the last thing in the paragraph. I'll have to see it to know for sure though.
I found your outline. You turned it in with your lit circle stuff for some reason, that's why I couldn't find it before. I'll give it back to you tomorrow. Also, you turned your concert report in with your lit circle stuff today. I gave it to my husband.
ugh, another epic fail point accumulated this year.
was there anything of importance like my social security number, card numbers, bank accounts and paypal accounts or something in another lit circle stack back in the time.
Can I bring in my first point again tomorrow morning and have you look over it? I changed my thesis and so obviously changed some stuff in that point. Please? Thanks.
I threw my laptop to the floor in frustration as I have the inability to write research papers. Then I realized hey look, another weekend repair project infront of me as I knocked the already broken internal heatsink out of place again. I should of been asleep 2 hours ago to prevent another day of me hating everyone (today I shoved one of my better friends into the wall)
But I had this urge to read rasin, and im still awake, therefore I will be hating everything and everyone again tomorrow.
I just realized that when I was typing factor two, it starts off good... BUT then it smothers and blends and becomes similarishly factor one, and without the extensive part its not long enough. What can I do, besides change it (Murrys arrogance, the nurses power) they get too close.
ok so im probably the only person in thE HISTORY OF RESEARCH PAPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that has 2 people with the same last name and the fisrt important word is the same too!!!!!! what do i do :(
Is the works cited supposed to be typed out for tomorrow? I only wrote it...
and is it possible for me to get help with one of my sources. I'm confused with it. Either second block or lunch. It shouldn't take too long. I know you don't want me to miss class but we are only doing orals, so if I wait until I'm done with mine, then I'll only be missing other people's orals which isn't bad.
Marisa--it is supposed to be typed. That way I know for sure where the corrections need to be. Come in at lunch and I'll help you-it shouldn't take too long.
Ok I think I'm starting to feel a little more comfortable with 69 new notecards) cause it takes only 25 percent of the time it used to to write a page now. and I actually just ate dinner just now. and I had another question that I forgot, actually why the effing heck am I even posting this for, I know you will not answer cause its almost 5 in the freaking morning omg.
YinFu--I think it's perfectly acceptable to tie that in. As for your other question, my brain's not wired for that right now (long day!) but there are some great online thesauri!
Outcasts or exiled? I don't know, Yin lol. Okay.. so i've been trying to kick this paper's butt. Anyway. When we come to the school tomorrow, do you think I could get on to my account somewhere to e-mail my works cited to myself? I forgot to do that thursday.
hey i was just working on my paper trying to get it finished and i ran into a problem...
i forgot how to do a long quote. do i indent 1" or .5" and do i do it on both sides or just the left. also, my quote is from my book so when i am siting the author do i do the character or Alice Walker?
YinFu--you can print at school tomorrow, not a problem.
Not sure what you mean by a requirement for long quotes, but it needs to be a quote that runs four full lines or more. I'm not going to require a certain number of long quotes, though.
If there are two pages cited, put them in the order in which you mention them in the paragraph.
Page long paras. are too long--even if it's one idea, there's probably a good place to split it up.
Ok for long quotes I glanced at HE-II's paper and saw that I pushed the ruler 1 in. In. They all have the "As blah blah states" and "This dude said" and "Guy 15 says"
Just noted this, they all boring as crap.
Does the lead in have to be that way or can it be an example of what is done. Then start long quote. instead of "Guywithhair 999 says"
O yes it is 2 AM, but I cannot sleep as I have screwed myself and my biological clock, I have pretty much slept the day of Saturday for making up not sleeping at all, so it's normal awake time for me...
Adam, the lead-in doesn't have to be that way, but you do have to set up the situation, especially if you are talking about the novel. You need to give the reader some context so s/he knows what purpose the quote serves.
Long quotes are tabbed twice on the left side. Don't know what the exact measurement is, that's just easier.
Nikki, It's up to you, whichever you feel comfortable with. I'm not going to dock you if you do include a swear word in a quote, but if you don't feel comfortable including it, use the asterisks in brackets.
okay so i am trying to do my conclusion and i dont want to be boring so i am trying to do the non-summary conclusion, but if i relate the theme back to another novel or whatever does it have to be one that pretty much everyone has read. like does it have to be a classical book or can it be contemporary? :S
oh and if i do use oprah in my conclusion do i need to site the information? is it okay to have to site information in the conclusion or is that a no-no? ugh! this is so stressful!!
uh I don't suppose you could help me find a page....I'm trying to look for the conversation that Amory has with Darcy about being a "personage" and I can't seem to find it....I fail....
yeah that whole saying that you hate research papers but love them...yeah why does that work!?
I'm trying to tell myself that the paper is due tomorrow so last minuet panic will kick in...it works!!!
"A personality is what you thought you were, what this Kerry and Sloane you tell me of evidently are. Personality is a physical matter almost entirely; it lowers the people it acts on - I've seen it vanish in a long sickness. But while a personality is active, it overrides 'the next thing.' Now a personage, on the other hand, gathers. He is never thought of apart from what he's done. He's a bar on which a thousand things have been hung - - glittering [glittering...heh] things sometimes, as ours are; but he uses those things with a cold mentality back of them."
right now I have: Fitzgerald’s “personage” is a distinct, noteable person who’s ideas and actions influence his life.
Jessa--put Poe's in quotation marks ("Poe's" ) because that's the first word of the article title. The quotation marks differentiate it from Poe the author.
or the comma after the quote? I'm trying to include the slicker/bigman philosphy with how Amory sturggles to find a distinct contrasting quality in the student body.
I don't have to cite where I got slicker and big man do I? and explaine it.
If one of my sources is quoting my research book, can I just use that quote and then cite it as that source? Or fo I have to cite it from my actual book? Because there's a lot of quotes from my book I want to use, but then I don't get any of my other sources in.
Don't know how much this is going to help any of you out this morning; I went to bed!
Jessa, 15 pages is the max. In the quotes, use Poe's original spelling, in the analysis, use today's.
Dan, comma before the quotation marks. If those are your phrases, no citation is necessary.
Marisa, you need to quote things from the book from the book. What you quote from the other sources should be the analysis of those quotes, not the quotes themselves.
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yay i'm the first, though you're probably tired of seeing my posts
``can we put a transition in the thesis? like say transition then the theme?
``Each child's personality gives way to his unique reasoning. his meaning the child, would that be ok?
``if i split a subpt into 2 paragraphs i still need a concluding sent and open sent bt rt?
``i cite a quote in a sent and then in the next sent say the character continues.... do i cite it again? (the same pg #)
``last one: my subpoint about how bc you only have an outsider talk every once in a while, the reader is sucked into the bundrens' view and thinks its normal, but then the outsider comes and its like WHAT WAS I THINKING??? THEY'RE WEIRD! i don't really have any source that says that, is that ok?
Yinfu--
#1--transitioning into your thesis is fine.
#2--Yes, you still need to wrap up each section and transition with a new topic sentence like always.
#3--Without seeing it in front of me, I'm going to say yes.
#4--that's fine--that's your own interpretation!
ok so how do i cite a internet source? like im using cliffnotes but i dont no how to cite it?
Tink--use the first main word of the site title, which is probably your book title, and put it in quotation marks. ("Age" 55)
great! thanks! also, i'm having trouble with the conclusion paragraph..so i have to start out with the thesis..so then there would be a para. bt the last one and the last factor for transition. and then that paragraph would tie hte 3 factors together so i can state the thesis? does the order i say them matter?
ex transition para:
factor 3
factors 1 and 2
how the 3 factors together make the novel do what it does
it presents the theme
conclusion paragraph starting w/ thesis.then 3 factors again..would that be too repetitive?
YinFu--we'll talk about conclusion paras tomorrow--thanks for reminding me. There are some alternatives that don't sound so repetitive.
My thesis is very similar to my attention getter (I think) is that fine, my paper seems "more-centered" or sounds that way if they are similar...
Adam--your attention getter really shouldn't be similar to your thesis, because your thesis should be the last thing in the paragraph. I'll have to see it to know for sure though.
Wednesday comment for Adam--
I found your outline. You turned it in with your lit circle stuff for some reason, that's why I couldn't find it before. I'll give it back to you tomorrow. Also, you turned your concert report in with your lit circle stuff today. I gave it to my husband.
ugh, another epic fail point accumulated this year.
was there anything of importance like my social security number, card numbers, bank accounts and paypal accounts or something in another lit circle stack back in the time.
ty for finding it
Adam, didn't see anything else of importance =] You're ok for now.
Can I bring in my first point again tomorrow morning and have you look over it? I changed my thesis and so obviously changed some stuff in that point. Please? Thanks.
toaut-eipc fail at typing toast.
Guess who--of course you can! See you then!
you also had an epic fail on spelling eipc fail
I threw my laptop to the floor in frustration as I have the inability to write research papers. Then I realized hey look, another weekend repair project infront of me as I knocked the already broken internal heatsink out of place again.
I should of been asleep 2 hours ago to prevent another day of me hating everyone (today I shoved one of my better friends into the wall)
But I had this urge to read rasin, and im still awake, therefore I will be hating everything and everyone again tomorrow.
I just realized that when I was typing factor two, it starts off good... BUT then it smothers and blends and becomes similarishly factor one, and without the extensive part its not long enough. What can I do, besides change it (Murrys arrogance, the nurses power) they get too close.
Adam, I'll have to look at it tomorrow. I can't really tell without looking at your paper.
This paper is eating me alive.
I don't believe I will have a passing grade when we get through with these.. along with any sleep or life. blahhhh
is naturalism capitalized?
ok so im probably the only person in thE HISTORY OF RESEARCH PAPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that has 2 people with the same last name and the fisrt important word is the same too!!!!!! what do i do :(
wv. proxide-chem anyone??
When we turn in papers, will you ask of everything we have that relates to the paper, notecards, sourcecards, amt of life lost etc.
Eric--it's not.
Adam--Go to the second main word
(Walker, "Time Flies" 53)
(Walker, "Time Waits" 92)
Outline, paper, works cited. That's all.
Sorry--That should have been to Eric, then Megan and then the last bit to Adam!
Is the works cited supposed to be typed out for tomorrow? I only wrote it...
and is it possible for me to get help with one of my sources. I'm confused with it. Either second block or lunch. It shouldn't take too long. I know you don't want me to miss class but we are only doing orals, so if I wait until I'm done with mine, then I'll only be missing other people's orals which isn't bad.
Marisa--it is supposed to be typed. That way I know for sure where the corrections need to be. Come in at lunch and I'll help you-it shouldn't take too long.
So if we give part of the paper tomorrow when do you think we would have it back?
If I type something from source E, then something to source D, C and the back to E, do I have to recite all of them?
Ok I think I'm starting to feel a little more comfortable with 69 new notecards) cause it takes only 25 percent of the time it used to to write a page now.
and
I actually just ate dinner just now.
and
I had another question that I forgot, actually why the effing heck am I even posting this for, I know you will not answer cause its almost 5 in the freaking morning omg.
Adam,
If I get part of your paper today, I'll have it for you on the Sunday work day.
If you switch sources, yes you have to recite them.
conclusion: would it be a far stretch to tie in that ppl are blinded by love like the bundrens are blinded by their own thoughts?
also, i want to say that the outsiders are more objective than those involved. would that be okay? and what's another way to say outsiders?
YinFu--I think it's perfectly acceptable to tie that in. As for your other question, my brain's not wired for that right now (long day!) but there are some great online thesauri!
Outcasts or exiled? I don't know, Yin lol. Okay.. so i've been trying to kick this paper's butt. Anyway. When we come to the school tomorrow, do you think I could get on to my account somewhere to e-mail my works cited to myself? I forgot to do that thursday.
Charlotte Perkins Gilman uses Herland to illustrate that humans do not interact with each other based on being a human, but by gender.
k does this sound stupid??
wv:tringle
Keegan--we should be able to do that, just don't forget to remind me!
Megan--love the concept, just need to work on the wording some more.
my printer was freaking out yesterday..so if i don't get it to work can i email and print it at school 2m?
is there a requirement for long quotes?
if there's two pages cited, do i put them in the order they appear in the sentence or in numerical order?
are page long paragraphs too long? i can't split them bc its all one idea
what is another way to say roll your eyes at or shake your head like omg i can't believe they did that?
hey i was just working on my paper trying to get it finished and i ran into a problem...
i forgot how to do a long quote. do i indent 1" or .5" and do i do it on both sides or just the left. also, my quote is from my book so when i am siting the author do i do the character or Alice Walker?
your help is much appreciated!!
YinFu--you can print at school tomorrow, not a problem.
Not sure what you mean by a requirement for long quotes, but it needs to be a quote that runs four full lines or more. I'm not going to require a certain number of long quotes, though.
If there are two pages cited, put them in the order in which you mention them in the paragraph.
Page long paras. are too long--even if it's one idea, there's probably a good place to split it up.
Not sure what you meant by your last one...
Nikki--long quotes are tabbed twice on the left side and then run to the right margin.
Mention the character in the lead-in to your quote, and cite Walker.
Hope that helps!
Thank you that does help, but i am going to have you look at it tommorrow just in case.
i tried googling how to do it but there were so many different ways!!
English is stupid!!!(i hope that comment does not effect my upcoming grade) :)i didnt mean it; im just frustrated
mkay thanks!
Ok for long quotes I glanced at HE-II's paper and saw that I pushed the ruler 1 in. In. They all have the "As blah blah states" and "This dude said" and "Guy 15 says"
Just noted this, they all boring as crap.
Does the lead in have to be that way or can it be an example of what is done. Then start long quote. instead of "Guywithhair 999 says"
O yes it is 2 AM, but I cannot sleep as I have screwed myself and my biological clock, I have pretty much slept the day of Saturday for making up not sleeping at all, so it's normal awake time for me...
im almost finished but i have another question (hopefully my last).
is it okay to have a swear word in a quote or should i put *s in brackets instead?
Adam, the lead-in doesn't have to be that way, but you do have to set up the situation, especially if you are talking about the novel. You need to give the reader some context so s/he knows what purpose the quote serves.
Long quotes are tabbed twice on the left side. Don't know what the exact measurement is, that's just easier.
Nikki,
It's up to you, whichever you feel comfortable with. I'm not going to dock you if you do include a swear word in a quote, but if you don't feel comfortable including it, use the asterisks in brackets.
okay so i am trying to do my conclusion and i dont want to be boring so i am trying to do the non-summary conclusion, but if i relate the theme back to another novel or whatever does it have to be one that pretty much everyone has read. like does it have to be a classical book or can it be contemporary? :S
i just had another idea! is it alright for me to relate my thesis to a person like oprah winfrey?!?
oh and if i do use oprah in my conclusion do i need to site the information? is it okay to have to site information in the conclusion or is that a no-no? ugh! this is so stressful!!
what does Ed. stand for on the work cited page?
Eric--Ed. stands for editor. You need to have that in front of the editor's name.
Okay....
If we turn it in Tuesday, could we have like half-extra credit?
Please?
I'll have to think about it...
Ooohhh...okay I'm not gonna pressure you. :P
JWVOTD
consopet (?)
If I'm writing about the 4th wave of immigration and i looked up info about it, do i need to cite it?
Jake--if it's not basic info that most people would know, you will.
How much do you take off if my paper stops on page 8 put it's only halfway down the page... :)
Kay--I do take off some....I'd go back and see where you can add some explanation, that's usually where you can add some length.
okay thank you! ahh i'm almost done..this feels so good! haha
why do i not feel relieved upon finishing my paper??
uh I don't suppose you could help me find a page....I'm trying to look for the conversation that Amory has with Darcy about being a "personage" and I can't seem to find it....I fail....
nevermind.....I fail again....
Sorry Dan, can't help you with that one... :(
ok now I can't seem to find a description of any of the guys of girls....
Overachiever
Normal
Below Average
Sucking
Fail
Epic Fail-Dan
ok so I found Personage, but I'm not 100% sure about how this connects to Amory....
a person whose actions and opinions strongly influence the course of events
so his actions and opinions influence what happens to him in the novel right? Darcy says it "collects" does that mean it gets stronger? or what?
Dan--you are not failing. RELAX!!! You don't have to get this done tonight. I repeat, you do not have to get this done tonight.
I would assume Darcy is referring to an increase, at least that's what I can gather from what you've written.
okay. for the ending of a long quote.. does is look like this:
...Jessa hates research papers." (Newby 17)
or this:
...Jessa hates research papers."(Newby 17)
is there a space after the quotation mark?
wv- curvers
yeah that whole saying that you hate research papers but love them...yeah why does that work!?
I'm trying to tell myself that the paper is due tomorrow so last minuet panic will kick in...it works!!!
"A personality is what you thought you were, what this Kerry and Sloane you tell me of evidently are. Personality is a physical matter almost entirely; it lowers the people it acts on - I've seen it vanish in a long sickness. But while a personality is active, it overrides 'the next thing.' Now a personage, on the other hand, gathers. He is never thought of apart from what he's done. He's a bar on which a thousand things have been hung - - glittering [glittering...heh] things sometimes, as ours are; but he uses those things with a cold mentality back of them."
right now I have: Fitzgerald’s “personage” is a distinct, noteable person who’s ideas and actions influence his life.
Jessa--always a space after the quotation marks.
Dan--who knows. It's a weird love/hate relationship =]
And Dan, I think that sounds good.
we aren't going to get docked if we still use the old fashion conclusion paragraph, right?
would it be possible to give you a rough draft or pieces tomorrow, or Tues., and get it back???
I would need it before Wed. I guess....or I could put it on a jump drive and retype what needs fixed on Wed. (maybe)
Jessa, you won't, but I think you'll find the other kind actually easier to write.
Dan, I'm not going to promise anything. I might be able to get through it, I might not.
when citing sparknotes in the paper would it look like this:
...I hate Edgar Allan Poe" (Short 5).
the article name is Poe's Short Stories and there is no author. i can't really use the name Poe again because i use his book.
Jessa--put Poe's in quotation marks ("Poe's" ) because that's the first word of the article title. The quotation marks differentiate it from Poe the author.
Would I put the quotes like this?
either “a slicker” or “a big man,"
or the comma after the quote?
I'm trying to include the slicker/bigman philosphy with how Amory sturggles to find a distinct contrasting quality in the student body.
I don't have to cite where I got slicker and big man do I? and explaine it.
sorry, i'll stop bugging you after this..
is it orang-outang or orangutan? in the book it is orang-outang, but is it spelled different now?
one more thing..
what is the maximum number of pages? i am almost at 13.
I think it's 15...
i finished it!!!!
If one of my sources is quoting my research book, can I just use that quote and then cite it as that source? Or fo I have to cite it from my actual book? Because there's a lot of quotes from my book I want to use, but then I don't get any of my other sources in.
so, I think i'll actually get in the page limit of the paper. surprisingly.
Don't know how much this is going to help any of you out this morning; I went to bed!
Jessa, 15 pages is the max. In the quotes, use Poe's original spelling, in the analysis, use today's.
Dan, comma before the quotation marks. If those are your phrases, no citation is necessary.
Marisa, you need to quote things from the book from the book. What you quote from the other sources should be the analysis of those quotes, not the quotes themselves.
aww man!! But have perfect ones from my book to use, but then I have none from my sources..
Marisa, you should have commentary or analysis on those quotes in your sources. Use that.
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